Can we identify the root or the fundamental or the nature of government in relaltion to philosophy? Can we traced that the proper function of government back to ethics, then to epistemology, then to metaphysics?

Is the kind of government reflects the kind of philosophy dominating a nation?

your super overuse words like ethics, metaphysics, and epistemology is boring the hell out of the kuronians.

and i still have a very hard time what you are talking about...

really.

...ako man, naguguluhan din sa tanong mo, ginnong AC...hindi ko maarok....:paranoid:

The thread is a form of a question. This will enable anybody to join in answering the question. (1.) What is the ONLY proper function of the goverment? Why do we have government?

(2.) Can we trace the answer to the general view of the nature of existence (reality), the view about the nature of man, the view about man's relationship to existence (reality)?

There is a connection on question no.1 to no.2 that we can resolved or that anybody can contribute their ideas in resolving it.

The objective here is to stimulate new ideas or thinking. Can you do it? I know we can because we are equiped with the tool.

The present scandal we have now in the Philippines regarding the contract of ZET BROADBAND COMPANY and the NBN project of the government is the result of not having in the minds of our government officials THE ONLY PROPER FUNCTION OF THE GOVERNMENT. They do not know what EXACTLY THE ONLY proper function of the government. And this can be traced back to what has been taught in our schools. Can be traced back to the dominant view of about the nature of existence (reality), nature of man, and the nature of man's relation to existence.

Do you have an idea what exactly the ONLY PROPER function of the government in the lives of every citizens?

please, indulge us.
and while you're at it, give us an existing example of this government you are talking about.

@mr ac: parang ZTE CORPORATION po yun hindi ZET...

........baka bagong scandal yun??........:paranoid:

parang tanong sa thesis 'to ah.hihi

main functions of government? notice the 'S'.. plural..

+ provide service to general populace
+ provide security by enforcing laws
+ provide necessities

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The present scandal we have now in the Philippines regarding the contract of ZET BROADBAND COMPANY and the NBN project of the government is the result of not having in the minds of our government officials THE ONLY PROPER FUNCTION OF THE GOVERNMENT. They do not know what EXACTLY THE ONLY proper function of the government. And this can be traced back to what has been taught in our schools. Can be traced back to the dominant view of about the nature of existence (reality), nature of man, and the nature of man's relation to existence.

Do you have an idea what exactly the ONLY PROPER function of the government in the lives of every citizens?
I think the answer here is very simple...in order to function "rightly," DO WHAT IS RIGHT or DO THE RIGHT THING "...

Orwell's 'Animal Farm' and Golding's 'Lord of the Flies' can give insight to a government's purpose...

I think the answer here is very simple...in order to function "rightly," DO WHAT IS RIGHT or DO THE RIGHT THING "...

The question is what is the only right function of the government? You can not do something right if you do not know the exact nature of the government in relation to the nature of man and existence. how are we going to know it?

parang tanong sa thesis 'to ah.hihi

main functions of government? notice the 'S'.. plural..

+ provide service to general populace
+ provide security by enforcing laws
+ provide necessities

www.sikreto.info (http://www.sikreto.info)


That is the present dominant idea that results in corruption and inflation and deficit spending. The third one provide necessities can be traced back to the idea of altruism and the first one provide service to general populace breeds corruption. The second one enforcing laws, what kind of laws?

proper government do not and shall not compromise public interest. sakin na isang ordinaryong mamayan, yan lang ang alam kong pilosopiya na dapat meron ang anumang klaseng gobyerno.

depends on whose government it is

proper government do not and shall not compromise public interest. sakin na isang ordinaryong mamayan, yan lang ang alam kong pilosopiya na dapat meron ang anumang klaseng gobyerno.


Of course the question is what is the public interest? There is no such entity as the public. It is the indivivual citizen that made up of such public. Now what is exactly the individual interest? And what is the ONLY proper function of the government with regards to that individual interest? Is it not tracing back to the view of what is the nature of man, to the view of nature of existence (reality), and the nature of man's relation to existence?

sinabi there is no such thing as 'the public'.
tapos, next sentence niya, ang citizen raw ang public.

pambihira naman talaga oo.

Its lack of understanding to the context on the part of BlasterQ. I said there is no entity like the public. It is the individual citizen that is an entity. The public is not an entity. So the question is what is the individual interest or value?

Why do we need a government? What is the exact nature of government in relation to man the individual?

Can we trace it back to the view of what is the nature of man, to the view of the nature of existence or reality?

There is no such entity as the public. It is the indivivual citizen that made up of such public.
I believe those are your words, acpatagnan?
You said there is no such entity as the public. And then you followed it up by saying 'It is the individual citizen that made up of such public.'

Do us all a favor, why don't you try expressing yourself in tagalog.

It's no use trying to write in english if you can't do it properly. You will only create confusion.

Just a suggestion.

The present scandal we have now in the Philippines regarding the contract of ZET BROADBAND COMPANY and the NBN project of the government is the result of not having in the minds of our government officials THE ONLY PROPER FUNCTION OF THE GOVERNMENT. They do not know what EXACTLY THE ONLY proper function of the government. And this can be traced back to what has been taught in our schools. Can be traced back to the dominant view of about the nature of existence (reality), nature of man, and the nature of man's relation to existence.

Do you have an idea what exactly the ONLY PROPER function of the government in the lives of every citizens?

Read the constitution! You dont know where to find one here's an adddress http://www.chanrobles.com/philsupremelaw1.htm

Read the constitution! You dont know where to find one here's an adddress http://www.chanrobles.com/philsupremelaw1.htm


hey thanks :)
magandang kaalaman yan para sa lahat :up:

That is the present dominant idea that results in corruption and inflation and deficit spending. The third one provide necessities can be traced back to the idea of altruism and the first one provide service to general populace breeds corruption. The second one enforcing laws, what kind of laws?

It seems like you've got your own idea. If you've already got an answer to your question the you should not ask the question in the first place. For the purpose of discussion why don't you lay it all down to be fair to the posters instead of you critecizing others opinions.

BTW it looks like your too smart enough already to understand which law the goverment should enforce. Or maybe ignorant enough to think that the government enforces the Law of gravity, Law of thermodynamics, Ohms Law, etc...

sabi sa article 2 section 4 ng 1987 Constitution:

The prime duty of the Government is to serve and protect the people. The Government may call upon the people to defend the State and, in the fulfillment thereof, all citizens may be required, under conditions provided by law, to render personal, military or civil service.

To kvaer9
That is exactly what the Philippine constitution says about the prime duty of the government to serve and protect the people. But the question is what is exactly that thing that the government have to protect from the people. Can we trace, relate or integrate the question to the views of what is the nature of man?

To BlasterQ,
There is no such entity as the public. The only entity you can identify is the individual person. And this individual citizen is the base of having a government; the function according to the constitution is to protect that individual citizen.

According to the knowledge of many of us adult, the primary function of the government is to protect the people. Each individual citizen must be protected by the government from what? What exactly the government protecting us for? Is it necessary to trace back to the view of what is exaclty the nature of man in order to answer that question?

what is your question? your real question...
kasi baka iba gusto mong itanong tapos iba naman ang intindi ko..
wag na po tayong gumamit masyado ng mga technical terms or malalalim na salita para makasunod naman kaming lahat...

acpatagnan, the constitution of the philippines is many pages long.
not just one paragraph.

please, read the constitution first.

...Ginoong AC,
Ipagpaumanhin mo ang kapangahasan ko...hindi ko talaga kayang arukin ang mga tanong mo. Gaya ng sabi ng iba, pwede bang gawin mong "simple" ang iyong tanong upang maunawaan ng lahat ang iyong naisin na talakayin sa pahinang ito. Salamat ng marami.


junef

Unang una para maestablish ang bansa..di ba may ibat ibang klse ng govt??? Gaya ng Democratic, Republican, Communism or Parliament..

Atska para di tayo magulo...may sinusunod tayo. May authority kumbaga.

At higit sa lahat may magpapairal ng batas.... Kaya dapat pinagdarasal natin ang mga tao jan sa government.

Can we identify the root or the fundamental or the nature of government in relaltion to philosophy? Can we traced that the proper function of government back to ethics, then to epistemology, then to metaphysics?

Is the kind of government reflects the kind of philosophy dominating a nation?

Ahahahaha! Baka kapatid to ni Inday...yung modern maid na magaling magingles at sa scientific and technical terms...wow, nosebleed!!!

There is no such entity as the public. It is the indivivual citizen that made up of such public.

public is not an entity
citizen is an entity
so what is public then? (an uranggatangs?)

pwede po bang pakipaliwanag?

ilang buwan din akong di nakadalaw d2 sa kuro at sa aking pagbabalik, post pa ni AC pa ang kauna-unahan kong nabasa. at tulad ng mga dati mong posts na vague and obscure, di ito nalalayo.

di ako magtataka kung makakailang pahina na naman ito ng walang nagiging malinaw dahil puro tanong ang ginagawa mo AC, the Mr. Know-It-All. pwede ba, simulan mo na ang pagpapaliwanag kung ano ang nasa isip mo? o kaya, kung di mo maipaliwanag, invoke Ayn Rand's spirit to help you out. close naman kayo di ba?

isa pa, pwede bang magtagalog ka na lang? your complete disrespect to the english language has now become really unbearable.

. Can we trace, relate or integrate the question to the views of what is the nature of man?

you confuse me...

...pwede ba, simulan mo na ang pagpapaliwanag kung ano ang nasa isip mo? o kaya, kung di mo maipaliwanag, invoke Ayn Rand's spirit to help you out...isa pa, pwede bang magtagalog ka na lang? your complete disrespect to the english language has now become really unbearable....Sang-ayon ako sa mungkahing ito ni ginoong Kenyon, AC. Baka pwedeng maglatag ka na ng opinyon mo? Baka sakaling magsilbing "dagdag kaalaman" para sa amin ang iyong nasasaisip.

[quote=phoebe;566011]public is not an entity

public.....gropo ng tao na may iisang pagnanais na makasaksi ng isang bagay, viewing public.

entity.....isang tao o isang organisation ng tao na nagrerepresenta ng isang bagay.

citizen....isang titulo ng tao na ipinanganak sa isang bayan o lugar. puwedeng maging isa sa miembro ng publico na gustong makasaksi sa
isang bagay..palabas o anupaman...

publico ay grupo ng tao...citizen o hindi...na nakasaksi o gustong makasaksi ng isang bagay na ipinapakita ng isang tao o ng isang organisation....opinion lang po.cofof citizen or a combination of citizen , non publiccitzenan uranggatangs?

The present scandal we have now in the Philippines regarding the contract of ZET BROADBAND COMPANY and the NBN project of the government is the result of not having in the minds of our government officials THE ONLY PROPER FUNCTION OF THE GOVERNMENT. They do not know what EXACTLY THE ONLY proper function of the government. And this can be traced back to what has been taught in our schools. Can be traced back to the dominant view of about the nature of existence (reality), nature of man, and the nature of man's relation to existence.

Do you have an idea what exactly the ONLY PROPER function of the government in the lives of every citizens?

Right now, Filipinos look at government as a source of major wealth and not the means to serve. That's the kind of government we have and that's the mentality that needs to change.

Right now, Filipinos look at government as a source of major wealth and not the means to serve. That's the kind of government we have and that's the mentality that needs to change.

How are you going to change that kind of mentality if you do not know exactly what is the PROPER FUNCTION OF THE GOVERNMENT IN THE LIFE OF AN INDIVIDUAL.
Facts: 1. The government holds the monopoly in the use of force: the police, the army and the law of courts. Just imagine and observe why? What is the moral justification?

If the government is the source of major wealth then there is no different morally between a robber and the government. What do you mean by to serve? To distribute the wealth to the poor confiscated from the productive rich? Is this a proper function of the government?

public is not an entity
citizen is an entity
so what is public then? (an uranggatangs?)

pwede po bang pakipaliwanag?

An entity is something that we can observed and identify. The word "public" is an abstraction or idea. It cannot be observed or find. What you can find is only the individual person (citizen)

Another simple explanation: There are five dogs. What you can observe and find are dogs, individual dogs. The word "five" can you find it or observed it. No. You have only dogs to look at. And the word "five" is only in your mind representing the number of dogs. Dog 1, Dog 2, Dog 3, Dog 4. Dog 5, All in all what you observes are only dogs. And there is no other entity. And the word "five" is only an idea or concept. It is in your mind.

I hope this will clarify.

you confuse me...

To justify the idea of the ONLY proper function of the government can be connected and traced back to the nature of man.

What is the nature of man? Man is a living organism. He is made up of mind and body. He has a mind-the tool of his survival. In order to live on this earth you have to use that tool-THINKING. In order to live you have to think and figure out how to produce food, shelter and clothing-the basic necessities. It is your right as an individual to pursue your own life and happiness. It is your right to use your mind and the product of your mind-right to your own property. You have to use your mind to know what makes you happy. Your relationship to other man is only trade. Trade is an exchange of values, of goods and services. If you produce more than you can consume you can exchange it to others for the goods or values that you do not have. Now what violates that right? FORCE, COERCION AND FRAUD. What are you going to do to protect yourself? along with others like you? The idea of having a government comes in. And that is the ONLY PROPER FUNCTION. The protection of each individual from the initiation of force, coercion and fraud. The government holds the monopoly in the use of force for the ONLY FUNCTION of protecting our rights: right to live freely according to our own thinking.

To justify the idea of the ONLY proper function of the government can be connected and traced back to the nature of man.

What is the nature of man? Man is a living organism. He is made up of mind and body. He has a mind-the tool of his survival. In order to live on this earth you have to use that tool-THINKING. In order to live you have to think and figure out how to produce food, shelter and clothing-the basic necessities. It is your right as an individual to pursue your own life and happiness. It is your right to use your mind and the product of your mind-right to your own property. You have to use your mind to know what makes you happy. Your relationship to other man is only trade. Trade is an exchange of values, of goods and services. If you produce more than you can consume you can exchange it to others for the goods or values that you do not have. Now what violates that right? FORCE, COERCION AND FRAUD. What are you going to do to protect yourself? along with others like you? The idea of having a government comes in. And that is the ONLY PROPER FUNCTION. The protection of each individual from the initiation of force, coercion and fraud. The government holds the monopoly in the use of force for the ONLY FUNCTION of protecting our rights: right to live freely according to our own thinking.


after 14 months, you can only come up with this lame definition of the FUNCTION of government which mostly contain the same ideas of the previous posters expressed by using different choice of words and sentence constructions.