Pagan here, pagan there, pagan everywhere

[BlasterQ]

A lot has been discussed recently in the other thread about Christmas being pagan, and that we, as good Christians, should not practice it.

Let this thread be a discussion about all the pagan stuff we practice and use in our present day lives, and see how our anti-Christmas friends treat them.

[BlasterQ]

Let us start with New Year.

Our anti-Christmas friends tell us that Christmas is full of pagan-adopted practices and therefore should not be practiced, because it makes the celebration pagan and it's not in the bible.

So what about New Year?

Well, many of you will be surprised, but the practice of celebrating New Year is pagan.

The earliest recorded celebration is that of the Babylonians.

Is it in the Bible? Nopes. Never mentioned at all.

At least in Christmas, we know that the birth of Jesus Christ was greeted with rejoicing in the heavens.

At least in Christmas, wise men offered gifts to Jesus Christ.

Is there any mention of a celebration of New Year in the bible? As far as I know, there is none.

So why are our AC (we will start referring them as AC = short for anti-Christmas) friends condemning Christmas, but not New Year?

Certainly there must be a reason.

[tamtam2]

mahirap magparticipate sa topic mo baka maban ako or maclosed na naman ang thread na ito...hehehe


dapat daw alalahanin natin si Jesus sa pagkamatay niya at ang Christmas daw ay mula sa kultura ng mga pagano.

[BlasterQ]

so ang mga ginawa pala ni Jesus nung buhay pa siya, hindi importanteng alalahanin?

[tamtam2]

hindi ko alam kasi pareho naman tayo ng pinaniniwalaan. Invite mo na lang si Ryzner, balatkayo at dust sa thread na ito. mas maeexplain pa nila ng maayos ang panig nila. Isa lang ang sigurado ko, lahat ng ginawa ni Hesus noong nabubuhay siya ay mahalaga.

[balatkayo5]

If people are fully convinced that you cannot, in good conscience, observe a particular Christmas tradition, by all means, do not observe it. If people are fully convinced that a particular tradition is full of paganism to honor God in any way, by all means, forsake that tradition. At the same time, if people are fully convinced that you can honor and worship God through a particular tradition, by all means, honor and worship God! For me, Christmas traditions can be an important part of the celebration of the birth of our Savior, and they remind us of that momentous event that changed the world forever...HAPPY AND A BLESSED NEW YEAR TO ALL!

Originally Posted by BlasterQ

Let us start with New Year.

Our anti-Christmas friends tell us that Christmas is full of pagan-adopted practices and therefore should not be practiced, because it makes the celebration pagan and it's not in the bible.

So what about New Year?

Well, many of you will be surprised, but the practice of celebrating New Year is pagan.

The earliest recorded celebration is that of the Babylonians.

Is it in the Bible? Nopes. Never mentioned at all.

At least in Christmas, we know that the birth of Jesus Christ was greeted with rejoicing in the heavens.

At least in Christmas, wise men offered gifts to Jesus Christ.

Is there any mention of a celebration of New Year in the bible? As far as I know, there is none.

So why are our AC (we will start referring them as AC = short for anti-Christmas) friends condemning Christmas, but not New Year?

Certainly there must be a reason.

Correct ka sa underlined sentence na yan..sa church kasi ng cousin ko they dont celebrate christmas....wala naman daw yung date sa Bible.

di ba heaven and earth ang nagbubunyi sa pagkakasilang ni Hesus?

[BlasterQ]

Originally Posted by Jean Grey

Correct ka sa underlined sentence na yan..sa church kasi ng cousin ko they dont celebrate christmas....wala naman daw yung date sa Bible.

actually ang daming wala sa bible.
pero when i point that out sa AC sa kabilang thread, bigla siyang may maraming palusot na 'dapat nating tanggapin'.
yan ang kinalilito ko.
pag sila ang gumamit ng pagan practices, ok lang, exempted sila, dapat tanggapin natin explanation nila.
pero sa christmas, wala silang patawad. para bang nilalagay sa microscope.

kumbaga, meron screening ng mga models:

Screener: Model number 1, maganda ka, tanggap ka na.
Screener: Model number 2, maganda ka, tanggap ka na.
Screener: Model number 3, maganda ka, tanggap ka na.
Screener: Model number 4, maganda ka, pero dahil si Christmas ka, hintay ka diyan, kuha ako ng microsope, baka meron bacteria balat mo. pag meron kahit isa, hindi ka tanggap.

kasi nga hindi sila naniniwala na dapat ipagdiwang ang pasko. paniniwala nila yun at malakas ang kanilang paninindigan. kahit ano sabihin natin hindi natin mababago paniniwala nila. yung mali para sa kanila ay maaaring tama para sa atin at yung mali para sa atin ay maaring tama para sa kanila. Irespeto na lang natin ang paniniwala ng bawat isa.

[BlasterQ]

Originally Posted by hitgay

kasi nga hindi sila naniniwala na dapat ipagdiwang ang pasko. paniniwala nila yun at malakas ang kanilang paninindigan. kahit ano sabihin natin hindi natin mababago paniniwala nila. yung mali para sa kanila ay maaaring tama para sa atin at yung mali para sa atin ay maaring tama para sa kanila. Irespeto na lang natin ang paniniwala ng bawat isa.

paniwala man nila or hindi, it is still our duty to defend it, kasi they are using it as a means to convert people to a false religion.

this has, and is always been my motto:
The only way for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.


BTW: dre, tigilan mo na yang pang-asar kay hitman, ano ka ba? tama na yan.

siya ang nagsimula nagrereact lang ako sa mga ginagawa niya. kung titigilan niya ako e di babalik lang naman ako sa maayos na pagpaparticipate sa forum na ito. ang masasabi ko lang ay masaya sila sa kanilang pinaniniwalaan. naipakita mo na sa lahat kung ano ang side mo at kung ang pipiliin nila ay yung kabilang panig e desisyon na nila yun. di ba kaya nga tayo binigyan ng Panginoon ng kakayahang malaman kung ano ang tama at ang mali para tayo ang magdecide sa sarili natin at managot sa mga ginagawa natin. Sa tingin ko nagawa mo na ang parte mo pero talagang ayaw lang nila maniwala sa iyo. hindi naman pwedeng magtatalo lang kayo araw araw at maging piikot ikot na ang discussion. Pareho pa nga tayong Kristyano pano pa kaya kung sumali pa ang ibang relihiyon e di lalo tayong nagkagulo.

[BlasterQ]

ok lang yan sa akin kahit anong pa ikot ikot gawin nila, i have all the time in the world. hehehehehehe.

[Pinay]

pagan na kung pagan. so what? if you are not comfortable of doing a tradition or any religious practice -- don't do it. But if you are comfortable and others are not -- don't force them to accept it.

I don't think when I celeberate Christmas and New Year am doomed to eternal hell because it is not in the Bible. All i know I celebrate it because it is a commemoration of Jesus' brith on Earth and it that did not happen all of us will be in eternal death.

Happy New Year!

[BlasterQ]

Originally Posted by Pinay

pagan na kung pagan. so what? if you are not comfortable of doing a tradition or any religious practice -- don't do it. But if you are comfortable and others are not -- don't force them to accept it.

I don't think when I celeberate Christmas and New Year am doomed to eternal hell because it is not in the Bible. All i know I celebrate it because it is a commemoration of Jesus' brith on Earth and it that did not happen all of us will be in eternal death.

Happy New Year!

EXACTLY!!!